I try to convince them that they are not experiencing what the game really has to offer

It would seem that if you like to mine then you're a loser and should stop playing..

OP speaks the truth. The carebears and cowards have too loud a voice with new players, and I'm convinced it has a negative impact on subscriptions. There are plenty of fun things that new players can do in this game. Spending hours on end mining or running missions are not among them.

I agree with the OP. My most enjoyable moment as a new player was when I attacked a can flipper and lost my ship. Don't listen to the fearmongers!

I don't want every player to be like me. I just don't want any player to be scared of what EVE has to offer.

its fine if people are cowards in eve, just not when they bleat to have the rules changed to protect them in their cowardice

I don't want every player to be like me. I just don't want any player to be scared of what EVE has to offer.

ly retool the tutorial to show the full depth and environment of player interaction in the game. At least take them for a tour around lowsec so they can taste some diversity in the eve lifestlye. Otherwise new players are going to be stuck with the impression that eve is simpley another themepark to forever do quests in.

I may personally not agree with the activities you choose to spend your time playing EVE ... but I will certainly defend your right to do it.

Dying as a newbie is fairly painless, they can just have him quickly respawn at a nearby station. As for the whole "not ready" part, the tutorial is suppost teach you and make you ready. Going through an experance of running and fighting through lowsec as well as a live crash course in combat tactics is the best way of doing that.

I'm talking about the tutorial, not mining in a venture after 3 days of investing isk. Dying in a free newb ship is a painless experiance and even getting podded isn't really damaging at that point either. The idea is to teach a newbie how to survive and thrive in a hostile enviornment, an invaluble skill that new players only start learning generally months into the game in its current state. Besides, this helps him to not lose that venture that hes invested 3 days of time in.

Carebears teach noobs eve is boring and so they quit.

So teaching your customer how make good and optimal use of your product is a terrible idea? Good to know your the go-to guy on business advice.

maybe your a boring person.

Talk to pvpers, they will tell you the same story. People told them to do carebear bullshit which drives people from the game, mining, mission running etc. Quite possibly some of the worst ways to make money, both in isk per hour and just sheer boardem.

Like I said, some people love to do it. Never did i say EVERYONE. I am just saying it drives a significant number of people away because its just such a boring game style.

according to your many, many posts on the subject not only did you quit forever you quit forever many times

This. In my post earlier he called me ignorant. Yet he was ignorant to the point I was making...

This is what it's come down to in threads such as these: "You're wrong, my point is right. If you don't accept that fact I will just belittle your character and personality".

EDIT: No one can have a debate on this forum without name calling... I find it... amusing

You will never understand. You have the disease of the carebear. It's happened to so many current players. They played the game, did your carebear type bullshit, found it was nightmareishly boring and quit the game. They came back a few times because they knew the game had potential but did not know how. Once they found a route to the many, many funner activities compared to mission running and mining, they cannot see themselves playing other games like they do eve.

i'm sorry, is it not relevant to your claim that "obviously [you] did not quit" that you have made many, many threads stating your intention to quit? that is, surely, relevant to anyone weighing the credibility of your statements on the subject

Dude I was sticking up for you... But have it your own way...

If thats a coy way of saying you admit you are wrong, then I applaud your honesty.

To make optimal use, to make best or fullest use. Come on man, simple vocabulary. To make best use of a whole pool, you have to know how to swim. How can a newbie go to the deep end of the pool if he doesn't know how to swim?

And just throwing out an ad-hominem attack is not going to gain you any ground here.

All we are trying to point out here is that SOME (NOT all) players do not like your style of game play and are often driven away by it.

Your ignorance is quite staggering. Carebears never stop amazing me, I doubt they ever will.

Not sure if anyone has checked Krixtal's killboard history, but it tells a sad story.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=638628

Have you not been reading anything I've said? You introduce them into the environment of lowsec so they can accommodate themselves to hostile environments rather than just keeping the entire tutorial process in highsec.

those newbies will learn that getting a ship blown up is not the end of the world

Eve is a game where people should be able to think for themselves. But not enough do... So what if the tutorials don't take you into low sec.... You can go there any time you want. Flying nothing but a damned pod if you wanted to...

considering the wailing and gnashing of teeth every time a worthless highseccer discovers that high security is not perfect security, it never started

Not sure I fully understood you there haha sorry xD

could you perhaps put a few more words into this so it is parsable in english

i think you're taking this "don't believe anything in gd" thing a little too seriously

i think it could be perhaps you could make the attempt